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Ronald Stanton Papers - "My Father" - documents suggest that Fred was stationed in Poona, Karachi and Delhi during his 9 years in India. Also posted to Ireland in 1920-21 to help supress the rebellion.

His military record states that he was within 94 Company from 01/01/1902 to 16/04/1909 which looks to be when he returned from India. The document shows the "Stations of the British Army - 19/11/1904". 94 Company is indeed in India in the city of Roorkee along with another garrison Company - 68 Company.

The Imperial Gazetteer of India v21 p326 (1902-03) states in it's description of Roorkee: "Besides the Bengal Sappers and Miners, two heavy batteries of artillery are ordinarily stationed here."

Between 1875 and 1910 Poona (Pune) was a major location of agitation for Indian independence. Perhaps this is why Fred found himself there.

Background comment regarding "Frederick John STANTON - His Life" :

1. The job of "coal trimmer" apparently involved the loading and 'balancing up' of coal cargo aboard ship, presumably sailing with her to ensure that there occur no shift of cargo in high seas sufficient enough to capsize her. Nan (his wife) on audio-tape said "he was at sea when he was 16", so, for at least some part of the time between 14 to 19 years of age
he'd had a pretty hard life.

2. His age at enlistment in the army (01/04/1901) was recorded as 19 years 1 month; so there seems no question of his having 'put his age up' in order to get away from home.
He was very fond of his mother, and Nan said on the audio-tape that when he returned home after having been away at sea , he was very shocked to find his mother had died whilst he was away. Is this why he decided to enlist in the Regular Army? Nan said that she could recall as a small girl being impressed by the celebratory street parades of soldiers returning from the Boer War around 1900, and the general atmosphere of pride and patriotism very prominent at this time.

3. Being posted to Malta for a year, after only 5 months in the Army, he was then sent direct from there to India to serve a further 6½ years out East. It looks as if the award of each Army Certificate of Education he gained served as the qualification for a move or promotion:
e.g. on 18/06/1901, 3rd Class Certificate, posted to 13 Company; on 16/02/1902, 2nd Class, appointed Acting Bombardier; 29/09/1908, 1st Class, posted to 107 Siege Company.
(During his time in India he taught himself the Urdu language, and many years later he wrote an example by signing his name in Urdu in his youngest son's autograph book - unhappily long since defunct! - i.e. the book not the son!!)

4. His service in the 'Royal Garrison (later Field) Artillery and in WW1 was noted by:
9th July, 1914. Corporal FJS declared father of a son, Ronald.
4th August, 1914. Great Britain declared war on Germany.
25th August, 1914. FJS promoted Sergeant.
27th September, 1914. Sergeant FJS embarked for France,

-by now German troops had swept through Belgium and had invaded France, storming Lille, and at the beginning of September were within 15 miles of Paris. The early German advances had surprised the Allied Powers by the use of new 'secret' heavy artillery (for example, a new 16" howitzer could 'throw a ton weight' shell for a distance of 10 miles) so British artillery had some catching up to do. [N.B. FJS, since returning from India in 1909, had been serving on Seige (heavy) Units, though with nothing as large as the German 400mm series].

27th September, 1914. Sgt. FJS's first spell with British Expeditionary Force in France with No.3 Ammunition Column, RFA (Royal Field Artillery)
(A Royal Horse Artillery battery contained six 13-pounder guns <2866369>, whilst a Royal Field Artillery battery contained six 18-pounder guns <534467>, or six 4.5-inch howitzers <6570290>. A heavy battery of the Royal Garrison Artillery contained four 60 pounder guns. Each battery had two ammunition wagons per gun, and each artillery brigade contained its own ammunition column.)
"3rd Divisional Ammunition Column, Royal Field Artillery served with 3rd Division. 3rd Divsion proceeded to France in August 1914. They saw action in The Battle of Mons and the rearguard action at Solesmes, The Battle of Le Cateau, The Battle of the Marne, The Battle of the Aisne, at La Bassee, Messines and the First Battle of Ypres. They took part in the Winter Operations of 1914-15, The First Attack on Bellewaarde and the Actions at Hooge."

12th Oct.-11th Nov.1914. First Battle of Ypres which drifted to an end with both sides weighted down in heavy rain with mud and casualties.
10th - 13th March, 1915. Battle of Neuve Chapelle in which British efforts were rather more prominent but hampered by shortage of ammunition (as a result Lloyd George was appointed Minister of Munitions to solve the problem, partly by the introduction of liquor-licensing laws to try to reduce absenteeism at the workbench due to alcohol).
22 April - 25 May, 1915. Second Battle of Ypres with heavy Allied casualties due to the German first use of poison gas.
25 Sept. - 8 Oct., 1915. Battle of Loos when Gen. Douglas Haig's 1st Army attacked German positions at Loos. The British used gas for the first time causing many casualties to their own side due to unpredictable winds, for no significant positive advantage. The preliminary bombardment which covered the 18-mile frontage of the Army was carried out by 110 heavy guns, and 84 guns and howitzers began at first light on 21 September and continued day and night until the moment of the assault on 25 September. Many of the British shells fired turned out to be duds, and on finding much unexploded shot lying around the area where now the Loos Memorial now stands, the troops nicknamed the spot 'Dud Corner'.

18 January, 1916 Sgt. FJS returned to Base Depot in England.

[N.B. There was no general compulsory mobilisation into the British Forces until
June 1916, so until then all participants had served as volunteers]

- there had been a very heavy German offensive on Verdun towards the south of the Front from about April to June 1916, but now pressures were tending to equalise leading to entrenched territorial deadlock once again, in the terribly bleak and muddy conditions, adding considerably to tremendous loss of lives.

21 August, 1916 Battery Sgt. Major FJS's second spell in France, with
147 Seige Battery, in time to back and continue the great Allied offensive at the
1 July - 17 Nov. 1916. Battle of the Somme, in which it was said over-reliance on the destruction of enemy defences by preparatory artillery bombardment led to almost 60,000 British casualties on the first day, and more than 400,000 before the fighting ended on the 17 November 1916. German casualties are estimated to have been about the same as the British - which might well have been, in some strange way to some strange official masterminds, quite some consolation! The British introduced the first ever mobile Tanks at the Somme in September, whilst the Artillery had long been mobile albeit mainly horse-driven; and both were faced with severe difficulties in the thick mud, although of course the Germans were too! A reliable supply of ammunition must have presented tremendous problems in these conditions. The maximum advance of the Front Line made in all that time was no more than 6½ miles.

27 February, 1917. BSM FJS returned to England.

6 April, 1917. America declared war against Germany.
26 June, 1917. American troops ('Doughboys') landed at St. Nazaire, in N.W.France; 1 million by July 1918.

25 July, 1918. BSM FJS's third period in France, now with 514 Seige Battery, in time to join a major British, Canadian and Australian attack on
8 August, 1918. against the German invaders at Amiens; the Meuse-Argonne offensive began under the overall strategic direction of Marshal Foch on the western front between Ypres and Verdun, with the Americans in the south around Verdun, the French in the middle and the British at Ypres. The official German account described this day as ' the greatest defeat the German army has suffered since the 'beginning of the war', and General Ludendorff wrote later 'August 8th was the blackest day of the German Army in the history of this war' and promptly offered his resignation, which the Kaiser refused.

514 Siege Battery consisted of a "12-inch railway howitzer battery section of 1 gun" (

26 September, 1918. The final Allied offensive involved the movement by night of
half million men, 2,000 guns and over 900,000 tons of supplies and ammunition to an area over the only three available usable roads. The opening bombardment began at 02.30 hours with 2,700 guns. Three hours later the US First , with the French Fourth, Army went over the top in dense fog, to advance over ground churned up as if by a giant plough by bombardments as far back as Verdun, confused by thick belts of wire and tangled woods made almost impassable by fallen trees. Advance was slow and hard and casualties were heavy; communications broke down, and by 1 October they had reached some 7 to 10 miles into the German lines, having taken 18,000 prisoners. The Americans, from 26 September to 20 October, lost 5,158 men in battle, for small gains on a narrow front, but over particularly difficult country and against serious enemy resistance. . . . . . . . . .
At 0555 hours on 29 September the British 46th Division and the American 27th and 30th Divisions set off behind a creeping barrage to attack the Hindenburg Line defences. As always supported by artillery, the 46th broke the line by nightfall and the Americans, fighting alongside three Australian Divisions, did so the following day. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

11 November, 1918. FJS was still in France for the Armistice, and until the
9 January, 1919 when he returned to England as Artillery Reserve and ready for recall if necessary; for, although the fighting stopped on 11th November, 1918, peace was not signed until 28 June, 1919.

5. There is no specific mention in the Ministry letter regarding his service in Ireland in 1919-20 where he received a head-wound, at the time of the 'Black & Tan' uprising whilst supervising the collection of illicit arms. Ireland must not have been officially considered an Overseas posting. This event may have been when with 533 Battery he was appointed Regimental Quartermaster Sergeant; he was brought back to Kent and Sussex Fire Command for 4 months before being posted to a new Brigade, promoted Warrant Officer I, and then became Regimental Sergeant Major, a rank he held for 14 months before finally relinquishing Army service.

6. As Warrant Officer First Class and Regimental Sergeant Major FJS had reached as high as he could get below the rank of a Commissioned Officer. Despite the huge efforts being made by the War Office after WW1 to disband the thousands of Army personnel in excess of their now drastically reduced Service requirements, FJS was in fact offered a continuation of Service with a Commission, but he decided that, with his 21 years of experience, he could not face the prospect of 'starting all over again' as a junior officer, and being treated on a par with new and untrained direct entrants so much younger than himself. (He was 40 years old at this time). And so, with his young family in mind, he decided to request release from the Army and to take his chance, and with his knowledge and experience of administration and organisational abilities, to compete among the teeming ranks of civilian unemployed. He joined the Corps of Commissionaires,. anticipating that they at least would recognise his level of experience, and may be able to use their influence in finding him suitable employment. It was a hard blow for him to discover that 'rank' no longer counted in civilian life, (only 'privilege', as ever!), and that there was no demand for his particular skills. Necessity finally forced him into accepting a job as Insurance Messenger which he considered "merely running errands", and often at the command of very young 'self-opinionated upstarts' straight from school. It seems he never really 'found his feet' in Civvy Street . . . . . . .

Of course it is not now known in which of these war activities he was personally involved, nor to what extent. He would never speak about it (least of all to me, who was really too young to understand) and now, at my ripe old age, and with having gained the above amount of knowledge and some latterly-gained personal experiences of my own, thoughts of having missed so many possible opportunities to have learned more and to have discussed things with him are now a matter of great regret. - Mervyn.

Nan (Annie May Stanton - nee Heath), on her husband Fred Stanton.
Recorded January 1978

Conversation between Annie May Stanton, and son Ronald Stanton. Ronald speaks first.

It's been a year since we last made that recording. And here we are, January 1978.

Yes, it doesn't seem possible does it? Time seems to fly so quickly.

We enjoyed celebrating your 85th birthday. Coming to visit you just for the day in Weston.

Oh that was lovely wasn't it? Didn't we have a lovely meal?!

Ah! Fish and Chips at "Coffins"?!

It was lovely I did enjoy it!
I never get tired of going to Weston, got such lovely memories though there really. From childhood when I used to go with the Sunday school when I was about ten.
You used to go didn't you..?

Yes from St..?

Yes it was lovely.

Well we thought we'd like to record something about my father Fred. You said he'd be over ninety?

Oh he was born in 1882. 1882 in February 1882, he was ten years older than me? First of all we'll go back as far as I can to his childhood. I think he was at sea when he was about sixteen, and he was very, very fond of his Mother, when he came home his mother had died.

He lived in Southampton?

Southampton yes. He had four sisters, yes four sisters and another brother. And he was so broken hearted when he came back and found his Mother was gone, he joined the army, and I don't know where he was stationed. Oh, he went to Malta I know for about 12 months, then he was in India for 9 years. He was stationed mostly at Karachi. And I remember him telling me he was on duty at the Delhi durbar. Now what king was that?


Edward VII. Yes Edward VII. Because I can remember Queen Victoria dying, in fact I remember her jubilee And I can remember her death because I was at school, and we remember the incident if you can call it that.
Then of course King Edward VII was the next on the throne. Well he was over there for 9 years. Well, when I was in London, 18, this is where I came in contact with him. The cook was his cousin, and she used to keep up a correspondence with him. And when he came home on leave I met him then. But she became engaged to him, but he was engaged for quite a while, and for some reason or other it ended. Well I kept up correspondence with him after that, well he used to write to me and I did to him, quite friendly. And he said he would like to come to Bristol, to visit Bristol. So he came to Bristol, and that was how it came about that he was your Mother? he was your?.

He was? he was your Father!

But he used to visit you in London did he where you were working?

Oh he used to come there to see the cook of course, I mean? that was where I met him first of all you see. Well when he came to Bristol as I say, he came for a fortnight and then, there he asked me if I would marry him and I was twenty-one at the time. And he asked me, I think about the May, and we were married the following August, at St Paul's church in Bedminster? on Coronation Road.

What year was that?

1913. Must have been because you were born 1914 weren't you? Yes. Oh I thought I was very smart then. Course the brides, in our position you never see a bride? they couldn't afford white. I had a lovely navy blue costume and a big white "negorn?" hat with the roses round it. Everybody thought I looked marvellous! Course I had a veil round under my chin, one of those veils, not at the back of the head. But it looked very attractive, in those days. We really thought it looked nice.

Was dad married in uniform?

Oh yes! He was in full uniform? oh he was very smart.

What was his rank then?


And that was the Royal Garrison Artillery?

Yes. The Royal Garrison Artillery which was stationed in Plymouth. Course we couldn't afford a honey- moon that was entirely out of the question. We couldn't even afford a wedding cake, we didn't have anything 'cause Mother couldn't afford to buy one and I couldn't afford to buy one. But I was absolutely amazed after the wedding when we got back to see a wedding cake on the table because Fred had bought it! Your father had bought a wedding cake himself! But still it was a thrill for me that day the same as any other. It was very, very nice.
Well then I moved to Plymouth with him into married quarters, it's what they called then "being married on the strength of the regiment". And we had quite? well it was just up and down stairs it was. But it was partly furnished, and we had bread, meat allowance, coal, paraffin for lamps 'cause there was no gas then we had just paraffin lamps. Of course I had a little range in the kitchen you know to do the cooking. And that was all, that was an honour you know, to be married on the strength of the regiment. There were only 12 in his company that were married, 'cause other people had to live out in the village nearby and that. He was getting 18 shillings a week one week, and 21 the next week. And I managed to save 5 shillings a week out of that, the whole of the time, even when you were coming along. I managed to buy your little bits at a time, all your baby clothes. It was lovely. I made a little embroidered robe with "pintups" in it. And it was really such a sweet little thing. To me you looked lovely in it.

Were there many other soldiers wives...?

In the quarters, there were about 12 married quarters altogether.

And children?

Yes. Oh yes there were several children. And you were christened in "Lair?" Church. Which is near Plympton. I don't know the name of the church now it was a long time ago, my memory can't go back. But I can remember taking you there to be christened. Then I brought you home, then you were 9 weeks old.
The war broke out, you were born in the July, the 9th of July and the war broke out on the 3rd of August. 1914 that's right. Well then I brought you home to Mother to Bristol, and stayed with mother and you were 9 weeks old then. Of course they all idolised you being the baby! Made a fuss of you. Then your father was in France, when he went to France he landed at St "Loizaire?" that? well round? in the bay round Brest, round that way I think, and he didn't come home on leave? oh for nearly 12 months. And it was terrible to see him when he did come home, he came? I think the whole of the war, the whole 4 years that the war was on, he only came home about 4 times. It was a terrible time for him there, he was on the Somme. One nice thing, when he came on leave once, he was staying at a farm, and there must have been a little girl that he was very fond of, and when he was home on leave he took back a little pair of shoes for her, and that was ever so nice. But that was typical of him though.
From then, when the war finished, he was sent to Ireland, there was a lot of "Sein Feign" trouble over there, in Southern Ireland round Dublin, Cork round that part of the country. Which he said was far worse, the atmosphere and everything there in general was even worse than the war. Because of the fighting that went on so indiscriminately with the people among themselves, as well as the troops. It seemed that they? well I don't understand what it was

By then he had been promoted?

Oh he was a sergant then. He was sergeant. Well then of course 21 years? when he had put in 21 years service he was demobbed as they called it, and came out on pension - 26 shillings a week pension from the army. We were living then at Clifton if you remember Ronald?

Yes, Richmond Terrace.

Richmond Terrace at Clifton. And we had a happy time with us all there, and you were at school, I used to take you up on the downs do you remember meeting you from school and take you up on there to tea upon the down? It was lovely. Well as regards your father, he was out of work then? it was a very, very bad period that time from 1921 to 1923 there was a terrific lot of unemployment, and your father was unemployed for about 18 months.

Now by this time of course Clifford

Oh Clifford had arrived! Clifford yes, and Mervyn. Clifford was born in 1917, and Mervyn was born in 1921. So we had the three of you. You three children and your father was out of work. He was getting 26 shillings a week unemployment pay, for 6 weeks, and then the next 6 weeks he drew nothing. We had to live on what I had managed to save during the war. But it was a bitter, very bitter blow to him when he used to have to stand in queues for this money. A very bitter for him he didn't like that at all. All events he went to the Corps Commissionaires to get a job, and they couldn't give him one because he had held too high a position then, because he was a Regimental Sergeant Major. And they didn't take Regimental Sergeant Majors. So they said they couldn't give him a job, so he was still out of work, so finally he went back to them and said he would revert to Sergeant Major, if they could then provide him with a job he couldn't get anything else, and you know really he was most proficient in office work. But of course at the age he was 40-41 he was of an age when everybody in his type of work were really settled in it. I mean he could do shorthand, bookkeeping but there were no jobs available in? well I presume it was because he was too well up in it, you see everyone was all settled. In all events he finally managed to get a job in an insurance office at £2 12s 6d a week. And he? at that place I know he stayed there for 18 years, but he was never happy there, because the job was really inferior to what he was used to for one thing. And the whole time he was there he had one half a crown a week rise. Well now that would be equivalent to what 50 pence today? 2 and 6? I don't know. I get "comp?" with this money business.

That would be? it's ten times as much today. So it would be worth £1.25.

Yes but then his wages then were only £2 12s a week, you see so there you are.
And although? which was so marvellous really we managed to keep you boys in school. You then had passed Cotton Secondary school which was a good School. Clifford in the meantime had passed for the technical school, which was another good school. But we did struggle for Mervyn and thank goodness with your help Ron, or else I should never had been able to do it, Mervyn went to St George Grammar school, and that's how you boys really had your education. But, nobody could have been a more wonderful man than your father with his money, whatever was wanted, what ever was needed, he'd hand over every penny he had, even his pension for anything that you boys wanted.

And you managed to buy a house

Oh! Yes we bought a house.

In Whitehall Road?


And how much was that?

The house itself was £575. Of course then there was all the mortgage rates on top, it really worked out into the late hundreds you see then. But, it was so marvellous we bought it within 8 years.

You started that in 1928 was it?

Yes, yes.

Ron, can you remember all those trains you had in the front room?

Oh yes lovely models.

Weren't they lovely models?

Hornby... King George V wasn't it?

I don't know
Caerphilly was one, yes you had that one.

? Castle?

...and you had a station? all round the floor! I daren't go into the front room because all the trains used to be set round. But I can remember your father used to buy these things quietly, and just bring them home and just hand them to you. And he really used to spend quite a lot of money on them. And every Saturday regularly, he used to bring me home half a pound of sweets. It was lovely you know?. different sorts.

(Ruby) Half a pound!

It was? you know it was the thought that was so nice. And then another time on my birthday? I've still got pieces of the tea service left now, that he bought me for my birthday. He didn't tell me he was buying it, but he brought on this lovely china tea service for me from "Lawleys" once for my birthday. You know he'd do things so quietly and you used to wonder what he was going to do next. Now you know those two beds in your bedroom? your guest room that you've got up there. He bought those. I didn't know he was buying them, now they're nice beds aren't they? They're lovely beds.

Mahogany tops.

Mahogany tops, carved tops aren't they the rounded tops. And he came home to me one day and he said "I'd like you to come and see two beds in Jones' I've earmarked." And I said "Beds?" So he said "Yes I thought perhaps we'd like single beds." And he said "You said you'd like single beds." So when I went in "Oh!" I said "You can't afford those!" Do you know how much they were? £8 10s each! And two mattresses aren't there? And even now aren't they in a lovely condition? Mind you've kept them nice but still? it's been so lovely to think that you've got something that he bought and bought on his own I feel, you know. He went in and saw them, but he was really so quietly good-natured.
I never really knew how ill he was before he went, but I think his job really got him down, in the end. He really was disappointed with it because he couldn't get anything at his age, he couldn't get anything different at all. It wasn't his job, he was really a man that was better suited to something else. At all events what is so nice to think, at the end, what I can always remember, and I shall always be grateful for, I'd been up several nights with him and he was terribly ill. It was heart trouble. I had his bed downstairs, and I'd been up several nights and was really tired. It was a bank holiday Monday 4th August. And Ron and Ruby? Ruby came over with Ronald, of course they weren't married then. She came over with Ronald, and they knew that Fred was very ill, and they came over and stayed. Well I said to Ronald "Would you stay with your Dad while I have a little rest 'cause?" I said " ?I shall have to stay up all night." and of course Ronald was only too delighted to do it. I can remember I said, I was only upstairs for about half an hour, I hadn't even fallen asleep and Ronald really quietly came to the foot of the stairs and just said "Mum can you come down a minute" and I said when I got down Ronald was with him at the end, and I said "Ah?" He was just going, just as I got down. But it was so lovely to think Ronald was there and Ruby. I said I don't know what I should have done if they hadn't been there. And strangely enough, this is another queer incidence... Clifford was away at camp, and he came home that same evening. He said he felt that there was something happening and he had to come home. Do you remember that Ronald?

No I don't remember, where was he camping with the scouts?

With the scouts at camp, yes. And he said he felt that there was something happening. But I've often felt though how lovely it was that I had Ron and Ruby with me of course they've always been my backbone and still are.

So my father Fredrick John Stanton, died the 4th August1940.

Written on tape by Ronald - "(NB. My diary shows he died 5th August 1940)" 
STANTON, Frederick John (I4)
52 01/15
Ronald used to travel to work from Bristol to Weston daily. 
STANTON, Ronald Geoffrey (I2)
53 01/15
Ronalds lodgings when started at Inland Revenue in Gloucester. His landlady was Mrs Bessie Baxter. 
STANTON, Ronald Geoffrey (I2)
54 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I1)
55 01/15
Ruby and son Andy lived here (with Ruby's grandfather?) while husband Ron was at Wells Theological College. 
ALLEN, Ruby Cullinane (I3)
56 01/15
Suspect Dorothy and Mary MASKELL may be the same person. Named Mary on 1901 census and Dorothy on 1911 census? "Total children born alive" on the 1911 census looks to have been filled in "9", but then crossed out. To be confirmed.
MASKELL, Dorothy (I2005)
57 01/15
Suspect Dorothy and Mary MASKELL may be the same person. Named Mary on 1901 census and Dorothy on 1911 census? "Total children born alive" on the 1911 census looks to have been filled in "9", but then crossed out. To be confirmed. 
MASKELL, Mary (I2004)
58 01/15
The 1851 census records Grace as a "visitor" at future husband Thomas's home in London.

BMD gives death as Q1 1862 - perhaps she died due to complications in child birth.. 
HARDWICK, Grace Holroyd (I2064)
59 01/15
The 1861 census has Thomas BEST living in the same house as one "Thomas HARDWICK" and his wife "Hannah". Thomas Hardwick is an Auctioneer and 34 yrs senior to Thomas BEST. Thomas BEST's first and only son is then given the middle name Hardwick presumably in honour of Thomas Hardwick.
Would be interesting to know of the relationship between the two Thomas's.

The answer is in the 1851 census, where Grace HARDWICK is recorded as a "visitor" at future husband Thomas's home in London.

References to China Terrace, Lambeth on Google (where Thomas BEST and family lived in 1851) point to an association with a Weslyan Methodist Chapel. Perhaps there was a conversion from Methodist to CofE? 
BEST, Thomas Scrase (I2053)
60 01/15
The 1871 census records Emily living a few doors along from her family working as a domestic servant. Her future husband Edward Flack is also living there as a boarder! 
BEATON, Emily (I2039)
61 01/15
The baptism record for Thomas has a note refering to it at the bottom of the page reading:
"Rec'd? into the church on the 29th January 1863 by the Revd William JW Torre? Edwin Moore? Regd"
Not sure whether this means they were not part of the Church of England at the time of the baptism. Thomas and Grace appear to have arrived with their Curate from Wortley (district of Leeds) to baptise their son. Perhaps they were then "received" into the church at this later date (converting to CofE?)
BEST, Thomas Hardwick Davies (I1614)
62 01/15
Unable to locate Florence BEATON in either 1901 or 1911 census. 
BEATON, Florence Mary A (I2024)
63 01/15
Unable to locate Thomas HARDWICK and family in 1851 census (with the exception of daughter Grace). 
HARDWICK, Thomas (I2066)
64 01/15
William is listed (labourer, aged 25 and single) on the 1911 census at his parents house. However his name is then crossed out. Perhaps he was added incorrectly as he was elsewhere that night as only 7 persons are recorded as living in the house. 
SMITH, William S (I1973)
65 01/15 Rosina BEATON (Hannah's stepdaughter) married in 1875. The marriage certificate is signed by J Beaton and by "E" Beaton. Did Hannah go by a different forename or is this some other relative of John?

Death certificate for Mary Ann ? (John G BEATON's wife) confirms the record mentioned below is correct.

The 1841 census (HO107 piece 1462 folio 3/20 page 34) for St Martin, Jersey; records a "BEATON, Joseph M 45 b1796 England" "BEATON, Mary F 46 b1795 England" "BEATON, John M 13 b1828 Isle of Jersey". This is the more likely candidate for John on the 1841 census.

In the 1851 census (HO107 piece 2528 folio 17 page 26) records: "BEATON, John G Head Married M 22 1829 Cabinet Maker St Saviour"; BEATON, Mary Ann Wife Married F 25 1826
St Helier; BEATON, Rosina Daughter Unmarried F 2 1849 St Helier; BEATON, Joseph J Son Unmarried M 1 1850 Guernsey.
There is one other "John BEATON, b1832, a butcher" in Jersey at that time. Though the birth dates and occupation suggest the former is more likely to be our John G BEATON.
If this proves correct it would be interesting to know what became of the rest of John's family before the 1871 census when he is married to Hannah BRUMWELL and living in London.
Unable to locate "John BEATON" or any of the family in the 1861 census.
Unable to locate "John BEATON; bc1829" in the 1901 census or beyond.

BMD records has: Name: BEATON, John George; Registration District: Fulham; County: London; Year of Registration: 1896; Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun; Age at death: 68 Volume No: 1A Page No: 200.
This record has John George at the correct age.

06/06 Mervyn
George was a cabinet maker at the Piano and Cabinet makers Whitleys of Hammersmith, London. Detailed on Mary Beaton's marriage certificate.

1881Census- 42 Queens Road, Kensington, London, Middlesex, shows:
John G.Beaton, 52, Pianoforte Maker, b.Jersey, Channel Islands;
Margaret Beaton, 48, wife, b.Lavernock, Glamorgan, Wales; (Mary's step-mother)
Mary Beaton, 10, daur. ,scholar, b.Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England;
Robert Gray, 18, nephew, Oilmans Assistant. ,b.Dorset, England.) 
BEATON, John George (I160)
66 02/05
Poss another daughter? Burial date:
16/11/1860 Lovell Florence Melcombe Regis daughter William & Mary 
LOVELL, William John (I291)
67 02/05
Wife was possibly Mary Louisa died in Weymouth 23/11/1949 
? (I434)
68 02/06
Email from Dave Wheal 24/02/06
Marriage "Reg J 1867 Mile End 1c 4?29" 
Family F148
69 02/06
Email from Margaret Hill 13/02/06 "Then there is a photo of Stan on his own but also one of him and his wife Joan. (nee Charles). "

"Stanley" only came to light from the photos attached. Perhaps he was known by some other name also registered within the database. 
CULLINANE, Stanley (I368)
70 02/06
Email from Margaret Hill 13/02/06 "Then there is a photo of Stan on his own but also one of him and his wife Joan. (nee Charles). " 
CHARLES, Joan (I553)
71 02/06 Email from Christine Wilkins 12/02/06

"I have Elizabeth marrying Alfred Tom Webb (b 1806 Southampton) in 1883 in Southampton, I haven't seen the marriage entry or verified this.
William Alfred 1884
Daisy Elizabeth 1886
Rose 1888
Frederick Richard 1890
Arthur 1893
George 1895
born in Southampton

I have no info on Elizabeth and my connection is through Alfred Tom.

His parents were Frederick Webb born 1824 Southampton and Sarah Gamblin Goodall born 1825 Fareham, they married 28/2/1847 in Portsea.
Sarah Ellen 1849
Esther Marie 1851
Frederick George 1853
Mary Ann 1857
Alfred Tom 1860
Stephen Hide 1861
all the children were born in Southampton.

Sarah Gamblin Goodall
Is the sister to my great great grandmother Elizabeth and she married in 1863 to George White." 
TARGETT, Elizabeth Jane (I177)
72 02/07
Dublin born Letitia Logier arrived in Geelong in 1849 on the "Andromache". She married Edward Waldie in May 1850. Widowed by 1863 she remarried Francis Stanton in 1864. 
LOGIER, Mary Ann Letitia (I461)
73 02/08

EDavies data suggests:

11. LEONARD3 EAMES (LOUISE (ELIZABETH)2 WEST, FREDERICK WILLIAM1) was born April 29, 1913, and died February 10, 1995. He married GLADYS. She was born January 13, 1913, and died August 16, 1990.

Children of LEONARD EAMES and GLADYS are:
19. i. ALAN4 EAMES, b. December 15, 1944.
20. ii. MARGARET EAMES, b. September 17, 1947.
iii. STEVEN EAMES, b. December 3, 1950; m. (1) MAUREEN; m. (2) HELEN.
EAMES, Leonard (I876)
74 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I41)
75 02/08
EDavies data suggests:

1. PULIN CHANDRA1 NATH was born January 3, 1929 in Calcutta, India, and died September 3, 1985 in Archway, London. He married LAKSHMI BAI. She was born March 3, 1929 in Bubli, India, and died January 7, 2002 in Barnet, Herfordshire.

2. i. EVA2 NATH, b. November 8, 1961, Whittington Hospital, Archway, London.
NATH, Pulin Chandra (I909)
76 02/08
EDavies data suggests:

10. CHRISTOPHER3 EAMES (LOUISE (ELIZABETH)2 WEST, FREDERICK WILLIAM1) was born December 25, 1910, and died Abt. 1983. He married (1) ADA. She died February 2002. He married (2) FLOSS WESTWOOD.


EAMES, Christopher (I875)
77 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I906)
78 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I898)
79 02/08
EDavies data suggests:

7. VIOLET3 EAMES (LOUISE (ELIZABETH)2 WEST, FREDERICK WILLIAM1) was born January 1, 1902 in 63 Corinne Road, Tufnell Park, Islington London, and died January 1975 in 81 Chesterfield Road, Barnet, Herts. She married EDWARD MOORE August 16, 1926 in St Georges Church, Tufnell Park, London. He was born May 1, 1902, and died October 1970 in Barnet, Hertfordshire.

Burial: November 5, 1970

18. i. SHIRLEY4 MOORE, b. September 1, 1928, London.
EAMES, Violet Alice (I871)
80 02/08
EDavies data suggests:

8. JOHN (JACK)3 EAMES (LOUISE (ELIZABETH)2 WEST, FREDERICK WILLIAM1) was born February 7, 1906 in London, and died 1997 in London. He married MARY MAY STONE. She was born 1912, and died 2001.

Children of JOHN EAMES and MARY STONE are:
i. JOHN EAMES, d. 1994; m. SUE PARRISH.
EAMES, John Henry (I873)
81 02/08
EDavies data suggests:

9. IVY ELIZABETH3 EAMES (LOUISE (ELIZABETH)2 WEST, FREDERICK WILLIAM1) was born August 25, 1908, and died December 1949 in Homeopathic Hospital, London W1. She married RON HENTALL. He died January 1981.

Illness: Abt. 1947, Myasthenia Gravis
Residence: Abt. 1938, Archway

Child of IVY EAMES and RON HENTALL is:
i. ANN4 HENTALL, b. Abt. 1940, Mercers Road, Tufnell Park, England; m. JEFF KNOTT.
EAMES, Ivy Elizabeth (I874)
82 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I76)
83 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I889)
84 02/08
EDavies data suggests:

MABEL CAMPBELL was born Abt. 1905. She married TONY LAGOURGI?LIGURI.



CAMPBELL, Mabel (I31)
85 02/08
EDavies data suggests:

Burial: November 5, 1970 
MOORE, Edward (I877)
86 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I47)
87 02/08
EDavies data suggests:

REBECCA WEST (FREDERICK WILLIAM1) was born 1874 in St Pancras, London, England. She married JOHN ROBERT BECKHAM June 1895, son of JOSEPH BECKHAM and MATILDA ELIZA. He was born 1871 in St Pancras, and died Abt. 1912 in Islington.

Emigration: September 8, 1912, Sailed on the New York to New York

Census: 1891, Islington, Middlesex living with sisters Charlotte and Rosaline
Christening: August 20, 1871, All Souls, Marylebone, London
Occupation: 1891, Glazier

Children of REBECCA WEST and JOHN BECKHAM are:
i. JOHN JOSEPH BECKHAM, b. March 1898; d. 1902, Pancras.
ii. ETHEL REBECCA BECKHAM, b. June 1900.
iii. MAUD ELIZABETH BECKHAM, b. Abt. 1902.
iv. ROBERT BECKHAM, b. Abt. 1903.
v. DORIS BECKHAM, b. Abt. 1906.
vi. HILDA BECKHAM, b. Abt. 1911. 
BECKHAM, John Robert (I69)
88 02/08
Marriage certificate identifies fathers names and occupations. (Though Alice's father was dead by this time). Witnesses include HJ Williams and DG Campbell. The Campbells were living at 8 Regina Road in London at the time of the marriage. 
Family F15
89 02/08
Marriage certificate shows marriage witnessed by Mary's daughter and son in law - John Robert BECKHAM and Rebecca BECKHAM. Mary and Henry are both listed as widow and widower. Certificate also suggests Mary's father was a Joseph WEST, Lawyer. However, he would have been a WHITE not a WEST. 
Family F289
90 At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. Living (I878)
91 02/08
Will - the eldest boy who tragically contracted tb in his leg and spent most of his life in a hospital bed and had the most wonderful talent for sketching - Shirley has a book of his sketches which are copies of magazine covers. 
EAMES, William George (I872)
92 02/13
It would appear that William may have taken Ann as his second wife. I wondered whether Margaret (his first wife) and Ann might be the same person known by different names as I cannot yet find a death record for Margaret. However, Margaret appears to have signed her wedding record with her name (and initially begun to write Campbell rather than her maiden name), whereas the Waterman document passing William's apprentice to Ann on his death is signed by Ann with a "X" mark. This would suggest that they are different people.
12/16 - Now confirmed they are different people. Ann was William's second wife. 
GENTLE, Ann (I1944)
93 02/13
Lewis's baptism record shows he was 2 months old when baptised on Jan 22nd 1797. This puts his birth year as 1796. 
CAMPBELL, Lewis Thomas (I1948)
94 02/13
Lewis's baptism record shows that his father (Lewis sr) was already dead by the time of his baptism.
The address given on Lewis's baptism record is "Harpers Walk". This was located off Lambeth High Street ( where the International Maritime Organisation building is now located. A few lanes south of here was "Windmill Court", the Windmill pub still stands opposite where Windmill Court was. 
CAMPBELL, Lewis Thomas (I1950)
95 02/13
There is a Burial record for a "Margaret CAMBELL" 28th October 1803. The record is for St Pauls Shadwell and indicates that she was living in "Farmer Street". I cannot find a "Farmer Street" in the area today or on the 1868 map of London ( There are records at ( refering to a school which was located on "Farmer Street/ Shakespeare Walk", but again neither of these locations are obvious. A further note ("Shakspeare's-walk [sic]... York Place, Old Gravel Lane" on the same web page suggests that Shakespeare Walk was in the vicinity of York Place at the southern end of Old Gravel Lane. Old Gravel Lane is now called Wapping Street, and York Place is now the area of housing between Watts Street and Green Bank on Wapping Street).

Further evidence that we have the burial details for the correct Margaret comes from Margaret's son Lewis's baptism record (which shows he was 2 months old when baptised on Jan 22nd 1797). While William and Margaret are said to live at "Shadwell Market", other baptisms in the list show addresses from Farmers Street, Shakespeare Walk, Gravel Lane etc. So it seems we are in precisely the right geographical area. 
BARRINGTON, Margaret (I1946)
96 02/15
1911 census records that Mary Ann had 4 children and all were still living in 1911.

By 1901 Anna and her family were living in St Leonards Road. By coincidence this road (formerly known as Scrambridge Hill) was where Anna Maria had lived as a child.

In the 1901 and 1911 census "Mary" appears as "Maria". 
DAVIE, Anna Maria (I302)
97 02/15
James STANTON is recorded on the 1861 census as a scholar at the Greenwich Hospital School in Greenwich (London), Kent. This was a school for seaman and mariners. Perhaps his father was in Vessels operating nearby.

Free BMD has James Stanton's birth recorded in Weymouth in Dec 1846.

Mervyn 0403:
1881 census shows James as HMS Coastguard Tomohan, Devon. 
STANTON, James (I299)
98 02/15
Mariner certificate confirms John STANTON's (James' brother) birthdate as 14 Feb 1818. Unlikely an important document would have this wrong. This also ties in with the 1861 census age. Appears that the baptism record for the christening of "John", where he appears with "James" must have been a previous "John" (who didn't survive).

Unable to locate James STANTON or his family on the 1851 or 1861 census.

British Isles VRI CD has:
STANTON, James Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 15 Feb 1816 Recorded in: Fleet, Dorset, England
Father: Jacob STANTON
Mother: Rebecca
Source: FHL Film 1279496 Dates: 1807 - 1819

Gravestone inscription
Loving memory of
James Stanton
Master Mariner
Who died Nov 5 1893
in his 78th year
Therefore be ye also ready for in
such an hour as ye think not the Son
of man cometh

Probable marriage date of Feb 1841

1891 Census for Weymouth & Melcombe shows:
360; 6 Trinity Pl; James STANTON; Head; W; 75; m; Living Own Means; Fleet Dorset; 1647/76 -p44 
STANTON, James (I293)
99 02/15
Mariner certificate confirms John's birthdate as 14 Feb 1818. Unlikely an important document would have this wrong. This also ties in with the 1861 census age. Appears that the baptism record for the christening of "John" may have been a previous "John" (who didn't survive) or is "James" duplicated?
However, doesnt tie in with death/ burial records which suggest 1816. Perhaps he had forgotten when his birth year was!

Various crew lists include John. He appears to have been sailing boats around the UK and across the Channel carrying goods for trade. The crew lists list a number of voyages which extended as far north as Hartlepool and Newcastle and as far west as Plymouth. With "Humility" a voyage from Newcastle back to Weymouth took around 5 days.

There appear to be a number of different types of list identified as "Crew Lists". I'm not clear at the moment what these different lists relate to as their dates tend to overlap.

John was witness at his brother James' wedding to Mary Ann BOWN in Feb 1841

British Isles VRI CD has:
STANTON, John Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 15 Feb 1816 Recorded in: Fleet, Dorset, England
Father: Jacob STANTON
Mother: Rebecca
Source: FHL Film 1279496 Dates: 1807 - 1819

Free BMD has a John Stanton's death recorded in Weymouth in March 1877 aged 61

Poss burial date: 19/01/1895 Stanton John Wyke Regis

1901 Census:

PRO Reference Schedule Number
RG Number
Series Piece Folio Page
1610 133 22 135

72 Selby Rd

Civil Parish Rural District
Cann Hall

Town or Village or Hamlet Parliamentary Borough or Division
Southern Or Romford Division Of Essex

Ecclesiastical Parish Administrative County
Wanstead Slip St Columba Essex

County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Ward of Municipal Borough or Urban District

James H Stanton
Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex
Head W 59 M
Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born
Examining Officer Customs Worker Dorset Weymouth
Language Infirmity

Alfred J Stanton
Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex
Son S 18 M
Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born
Workman Rolling Mill Woolwich Archal Worker Essex West Ham
Language Infirmity

Edith M Stanton
Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex
Daughter S 17 F
Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born
Undefined Essex West Ham
Language Infirmity

Eveline Stanton
Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex
Daughter S 14 F
Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born
Undefined Essex West Ham
Language Infirmity

Frances Chambers
Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex
Servant S 19 F
Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born
General Servant Domestic Worker London Clapham
Language Infirmity 
STANTON, John (I330)
100 02/15
Scrambridge Hill is now known as St Leonards Street.
DAVIE, John (I2077)

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