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- [S8] 1871 Census, HEATH, John Charles; & family; RG10 2528 p8;.
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
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HEATH, John Charles Head M 21 1850 Gloucestershire
HEATH, Matilda Wife F 21 1850 Gloucestershire
HEATH, William George Son M 0 1871 Gloucestershire
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RG number: RG10
Piece: 2528
Folio: 8
Page: 8
Registration District: Bristol
Sub District: St Paul
Enumeration District: 21
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: St Paul
Municipal Borough: Bristol
Address: Dale Street, St Paul, Bristol
County: Gloucestershire
- [S14] 1891 Census, CARLILE, John; & family; RG12 piece 99 folio 48 page 28.
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born
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CARLILE, John Head Married M 38 1853 St Sepulchre London
CARLILE, Matilda Wife Married F 42 1849 Stationery Engine Driver Bristol Bedminster
CARLILE, Arabella Daughter F 10 1881 Marylebone London
CARLILE, Mary Daughter F 6 1885 Bristol Bedminster
CARLILE, Alice Daughter F 4 1887 Marylebone London
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RG number: RG12
Piece: 99
Folio: 48
Page: 28
Registration District: Marylebone
Sub District: Christchurch
Enumeration District: 6
Ecclesiastical Parish: Christchurch
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Municipal Borough: Marylebone
Address: 10 Devonshire Street, St Marylebone, London, Marylebone
County: London
- [S47] Email, QUARMBY, Adrienne; 2008 09 06;.
Hello Mervyn,
I was so grateful to receive an attachment from you that I received from Mark Stanton about memories of my family.
I am the daughter of Arthur William Samuel Heath and Laura Bessie Heath who you say you met and my grandparents were Samuel Charles Heath and Deborah Elizabeth Ann (Dunn). I can later give you stories and fill in gaps about them.
I have been going around in circles about Samuel Charles Heath's parents, John Charles Heath and Matilda Mabbett. I had found the same information as you in the censuses about John Charles Heath but Matilda was more difficult to trace. I had to go on snipets that my mother had told me.
Mum said that Matilda left John Charles and went to London and that Samuel Charles had step-sisters. There was also an 'aunt' Tilly who stayed with them in Essex St, Bedminster, Bristol.
Searching for Matilda Heath, I found in the 1881 census, living at 2 Peerless St, St Lukes Parish, Finsbury
John Carlile (Head), married aged 25, engine driver, b.London, Surrey
Matilda wife aged 24 machinist, b. Bristol
Matilda daughter, aged 2 b. Middx, St Lukes
Arabella daughter, aged 9 months b. Middx, st Lukes
I have been unable to find a marriage for Matilda and John but did they just say status was married when they were not divorced and living together? I have the birth certificate for daughter Matilda born on 7th April 1879 where she is named as Matilda Alice Mary, and mother is given as Matilda Alice Carlile, formerly Mabbett and fatheris John Carlile. This daughter is the 'Aunt' Tilly referred to by my mother.
Later in the 1891 two more daughters have been born and living at 10 Bloom....? St, Marylebone, London
Entry given as:
John Carlile (Head) married 38 engine driver b.London St Sepulchre
Matilda Carlile married 42 b. Bristol, Bedminster
Arabella Carlile aged 10 b. London, Marylebone
Mary Carlile, aged 6 b. Bristol, bedminster
Alice Carlile, aged 4 b. London, Marylebone
N.B eldest daughter Matilda A M M Carlile aged 12 by now not there. I found her staying with Isabella Bennett aged 42 at 15 Bartley St Bedminster, Bristol. Mum had also told me that 'Aunt'Tilly stayed with Arabella and went to a convent (probably a school ) in Redcatch St, Bristol. and my Aunt Beatie also mentioned Samuel Charles Heath's step sisters Tilly and Alice.
It appears that Matilda Mabbett lied about her age because on these 2 censuses her ages do not tally but perhaps she told John Carlile she was not as old as she was when she met him. Also could not find a marriage for them but perhaps she did not divorce and lied as to marital status on censuses!
I cannot find them on the 1901 census but I think I have found a death for a John Carlile between 1891 an 1901. Yet again I cannot find what happened to Matilda Mabbett or where she was after 1891 but her children with John Carlile would mean that they were half-sisters to Samuel Charles Heath because they had the same mother. 'Aunt Tilly' is on the wedding photograph of Edwin Charles Heath to Gladys.
I know that Matilda A M M Carlile married a Sidney Bartlett and they had a daughter Doris in 1908 I think.
I have spent so much time trying to research Matilda Mabbett as I think you have. On her marriage certificate to John Charles Heath, her father is given as William Mabbett, glass cutter. However, when I sent for her birth certificate Matilda was born on 1st July 1850, her father is named as Matthew Mabbett, and mother Matilda Mabbutt, formerly White at 6 Harford St, Bristol,
Can find no information about this William Mabbett yet.
Arabella's birth certificate shows she was born on 2nd September 1848 at 9 Harford St to Matilda Mabbutt, formerly White and father is Richard Mabbutt.
The plot certainly thickens!
I will send a cop of this to Mark Stanton.
Best wishes,
Adrienne nee Heath
- [S47] Email, BARTLETT, Harry; 2005 10 28; 2005 10 31; 2006 08 12;.
- [S47] Email, STANTON, Mervyn; 2009 04 28;.
Hi, Mark and Andy,
Have received this e-mail from Adrienne. She seems pretty certain this time, and it seems on the face of things likely to be correct and acceptable.
I had previously given Adrienne all the info I had on the Mabbetts, but it was on a 'true or false' basis, and entirely unconfirmed; also I felt I had already spent enough time (and 'circular travel') on Matilda (senior), and as she wasn't exactly essential to tracing the 'Stanton' direct line I had rather pushed her to one side, and carried on doing my own thing. Then, with Adrienne I'd tried going back over it all once again, but our efforts led us nowhere as there were always some details that didn't seem to tie up.
You notice she has been in contact with Harry Bartlett? Was this through your contact with him? It is interesting that she actually knows and has recently spoken with a member of the Mabbett Carlile family common to them both. It will be interesting to hear how they get on when they meet in London next month.
So, still on the periphery of our line, there remains just William George Heath to be identified, as the one we thought we had found, and taken for granted to be the right one, wasn't!
We do hope that you are all well and enjoying the lovely summer. We are still enjoying our lovely walk to the end of our road and back!
Love to you all,
from Mervyn and Riette. XXXX
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrienne Quarmby
To: mervyn.stanton
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: Matilda Mabbett
Dear Mervyn,
I must apologise for not writing to you for such a long time but family history has taken a back seat for a little time.
I think I have a break through re Matilda Mabbett Senior.
There is a Matilda Mabbott christened on 4th November 1821 in St James Parish. Her parents are William and Mary Mabbott, living at St Paul and father's occupation is stated as labourer.
I have found William Mabett and Mary married in St Paul Parish on 11th Feb 1812 and it states that Mary's maiden name was WHITE.
This I think solves the mystery of why on Arabella's and Matilda's birth certificate it says their mother was Matilda Mabbett, formerly White. Matilda didn't get married until 1857 (to John Osborne Stewart) and it states on the certificate that she was a spinster. Probably when asked on registering the births, her maiden name she gave her mother's.
I have been in touch with Harry Bartlett in Australia and we are related through Matilda. His Aunt Lily is the youngest daughter of Matilda Mabbett Carlile who married Sidney Bartlett. I once went to stay with her when she lived in London. She later moved to Seaford when her husband retired as a fireman. I have spoken to her on the phone fairly recently and she remembered being a bridesmaid to my Uncle Sid and Auntie Beatie and I was able to identify her on a wedding photo I have.
Harry Bartlett is coming to UK this May and I hope to meet him for a day and go to the National Archives in Kew.
I am no nearer to finding William George though!
Best wishes,
Adrienne
- [S7] 1881 Census, CARLILE, John; & family; RG11 piece 361 folio 51 page 1.
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born
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CARLILE, John Head Married M 25 1856 Engine Driver London Surrey
CARLILE, Matilda Wife Married F 24 1857 Machinist Bristol Gloucestershire
CARLILE, Matilda Daughter Single F 2 1879 St Lukes Middlesex
CARLILE, Arabella Daughter Single F 0 1881 St Lukes Middlesex
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RG number: RG11
Piece: 361
Folio: 51
Page: 1
Registration District: Holborn
Sub District: City Road
Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: St Luke
Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Peerless St, St Luke
County: Middlesex
- [S47] Email, QUARMBY, Adrienne; 2008 09 05;.
Hello Mark,
I was delighted to have a reply from you and your great uncle's attachment. As his grandfather and my grandfather were brothers, I think that makes him my cousin, twice removed doesn't it? It is exciting to discover distant relatives.
Tell him that last month I went to the funeral of Brian Heath in Bristol, my Uncle Sid and Aunt Beatie's son. While there I visited the Bristol Record Office and it was this that got me hooked on seriously researching my family. Whilst there I found the reference to Matilda Mabbett and John Charles Heath and sent for their marriage certificate where her father is named as William Mabbett, glass cutter. I subsequently sent for Matilda's birth certifcate (born 1st July1850 at 6 Harford St, Bristol, only to find her father named as Matthew Mabbett. When Arabella's birth certificate arrived, her father was Richard Mabbett and she was born on 2nd Sept 1848 at 9 Harford St, Bristol. So began the quest trying to unravel the truth about the Mabbetts which is still on going!!
Matilda Mabbett's daughter by John Henry Carlile, had a lot of connection with my family, especially Deborah Elizabeth Ann and can be seen on some family photographs.
I have photographs of Uncle Vic (Victor Emmanuel in his Royal Marine Light Infantry Uniform and in his Royal Marine unifrom when it amalgamated. I am not sure if he was ever in the Merchant Navy.
I did know that Samuel Charles Heath was called Deborah Elizabeth Ann Dunn, it was just my haste in typing, leaving out the 'Deborah'.
I am so impressed by your website and will have to check people in my family now. If I can fill in any gaps I will contact you.
Looking forward to future contact.
Best wishes,
Adrienne
- [S47] Email, QUARMBY, Adrienne; 2008 08 19;.
Hello Mark,
I hope you don't mind me contacting you but I have recently started researching my roots and I think I can answer a few of you queries. I have just looked at your tree on Rootsweb and started with Samuel Charles Heath, my grandfather. I have a copy of his birth certificate and he was born on 28th January 1869 not February. He married Elizabeth Ann Dunn and they had 5 children Edwin C (Charles I think) b 4.10.1985, Victor Emmanuel b 8.4.1898?, Sidney George b 22.5.1901, Dora Irene b 8.8.1905 and lastly, my father, Arthur William Samuel b. 25.12.08.
I know that you have had other queries over what happened to Matilda Mabbett who married John Charles Heath in 1868 but my mother said that she left John (or it could have been he left her). I don't think that she died in childbirth as was suggested but lived with or married a John Henry Carlile. They had 2 daughters Matilda and Arabella. The daughter Matilda is I think who was referred to as Aunt Tilly in my family and was in fact Samuel Heath's step sister because they both had the same mother. Arabella was their aunt and is why on the 1891 census they are in the same household as Isabella (Arabella) Bennett and down Samuel down as nephew and Matilda down as niece. Aunt Tilly (Matilda Carlile) later married Sidney H Bartlett. She came often to visit my father's family in Essex St, Bedminster, Bristol and appears on one of my uncle's wedding photographs and sent a photo of herself to Deborah.
I hope this makes sense. I have so much to sort out and verify with certificates.
Hoping I have a reply,
Adrienne nee Heath
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