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Matilda Alice CARLILE

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  • Name Matilda Alice CARLILE  [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
    Born 7 Apr 1879  St Luke's, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 6, 7
    Gender Female 
    Address 1881  2 Peerless Street, Finsbury, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
    Address 1891  15 Bartley Street, Bedminster, Bristol, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 7
    Occupation 1891  [7
    Scholar 
    Person ID I946  My Genealogy
    Last Modified 27 Aug 2018 

    Father John Henry CARLILE,   b. Abt 1853, St Sepulchre, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Relationship natural 
    Mother Matilda Alice MABBETT,   b. 1 Jul 1850, 6 Harford Street, St. James, Bristol, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Relationship natural 
    Family ID F326  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Sidney BARTLETT 
    Children 
     1. Doris BARTLETT,   b. Abt 1908  [natural]
    Last Modified 27 Aug 2018 
    Family ID F327  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • 09/11
      Unable to locate "Matilda CARLILE" on the 1901 census or beyond.

      Adrienne has the birth certificate for daughter Matilda born on 7th April 1879 where she is named as Matilda Alice Mary, and mother is given as Matilda Alice Carlile, formerly Mabbett and father is John Carlile. This daughter is the 'Aunt' Tilly referred to elsewhere by Adrienne's mother.
      Later in the 1891 census, eldest daughter Matilda A M M Carlile aged 12 by now not there. She is staying with Isabella Bennett aged 42 at 15 Bartley St Bedminster, Bristol.
      Adrienne: Mum had also told me that 'Aunt'Tilly stayed with Arabella and went to a convent (probably a school ) in Redcatch St, Bristol. and my Aunt Beatie also mentioned Samuel Charles Heath's step sisters Tilly and Alice.
      Aunt Tilly' is on the wedding photograph of Edwin Charles Heath to Gladys.
      I know that Matilda A M M Carlile married a Sidney Bartlett and they had a daughter Doris in 1908 I think.

  • Sources 
    1. [S47] Email, QUARMBY, Adrienne; 2008 08 19;.
      Hello Mark,

      I hope you don't mind me contacting you but I have recently started researching my roots and I think I can answer a few of you queries. I have just looked at your tree on Rootsweb and started with Samuel Charles Heath, my grandfather. I have a copy of his birth certificate and he was born on 28th January 1869 not February. He married Elizabeth Ann Dunn and they had 5 children Edwin C (Charles I think) b 4.10.1985, Victor Emmanuel b 8.4.1898?, Sidney George b 22.5.1901, Dora Irene b 8.8.1905 and lastly, my father, Arthur William Samuel b. 25.12.08.

      I know that you have had other queries over what happened to Matilda Mabbett who married John Charles Heath in 1868 but my mother said that she left John (or it could have been he left her). I don't think that she died in childbirth as was suggested but lived with or married a John Henry Carlile. They had 2 daughters Matilda and Arabella. The daughter Matilda is I think who was referred to as Aunt Tilly in my family and was in fact Samuel Heath's step sister because they both had the same mother. Arabella was their aunt and is why on the 1891 census they are in the same household as Isabella (Arabella) Bennett and down Samuel down as nephew and Matilda down as niece. Aunt Tilly (Matilda Carlile) later married Sidney H Bartlett. She came often to visit my father's family in Essex St, Bedminster, Bristol and appears on one of my uncle's wedding photographs and sent a photo of herself to Deborah.

      I hope this makes sense. I have so much to sort out and verify with certificates.

      Hoping I have a reply,
      Adrienne nee Heath

    2. [S47] Email, QUARMBY, Adrienne; 2008 09 06;.
      Hello Mervyn,

      I was so grateful to receive an attachment from you that I received from Mark Stanton about memories of my family.

      I am the daughter of Arthur William Samuel Heath and Laura Bessie Heath who you say you met and my grandparents were Samuel Charles Heath and Deborah Elizabeth Ann (Dunn). I can later give you stories and fill in gaps about them.

      I have been going around in circles about Samuel Charles Heath's parents, John Charles Heath and Matilda Mabbett. I had found the same information as you in the censuses about John Charles Heath but Matilda was more difficult to trace. I had to go on snipets that my mother had told me.
      Mum said that Matilda left John Charles and went to London and that Samuel Charles had step-sisters. There was also an 'aunt' Tilly who stayed with them in Essex St, Bedminster, Bristol.

      Searching for Matilda Heath, I found in the 1881 census, living at 2 Peerless St, St Lukes Parish, Finsbury
      John Carlile (Head), married aged 25, engine driver, b.London, Surrey
      Matilda wife aged 24 machinist, b. Bristol
      Matilda daughter, aged 2 b. Middx, St Lukes
      Arabella daughter, aged 9 months b. Middx, st Lukes

      I have been unable to find a marriage for Matilda and John but did they just say status was married when they were not divorced and living together? I have the birth certificate for daughter Matilda born on 7th April 1879 where she is named as Matilda Alice Mary, and mother is given as Matilda Alice Carlile, formerly Mabbett and fatheris John Carlile. This daughter is the 'Aunt' Tilly referred to by my mother.

      Later in the 1891 two more daughters have been born and living at 10 Bloom....? St, Marylebone, London
      Entry given as:
      John Carlile (Head) married 38 engine driver b.London St Sepulchre
      Matilda Carlile married 42 b. Bristol, Bedminster
      Arabella Carlile aged 10 b. London, Marylebone
      Mary Carlile, aged 6 b. Bristol, bedminster
      Alice Carlile, aged 4 b. London, Marylebone

      N.B eldest daughter Matilda A M M Carlile aged 12 by now not there. I found her staying with Isabella Bennett aged 42 at 15 Bartley St Bedminster, Bristol. Mum had also told me that 'Aunt'Tilly stayed with Arabella and went to a convent (probably a school ) in Redcatch St, Bristol. and my Aunt Beatie also mentioned Samuel Charles Heath's step sisters Tilly and Alice.

      It appears that Matilda Mabbett lied about her age because on these 2 censuses her ages do not tally but perhaps she told John Carlile she was not as old as she was when she met him. Also could not find a marriage for them but perhaps she did not divorce and lied as to marital status on censuses!

      I cannot find them on the 1901 census but I think I have found a death for a John Carlile between 1891 an 1901. Yet again I cannot find what happened to Matilda Mabbett or where she was after 1891 but her children with John Carlile would mean that they were half-sisters to Samuel Charles Heath because they had the same mother. 'Aunt Tilly' is on the wedding photograph of Edwin Charles Heath to Gladys.

      I know that Matilda A M M Carlile married a Sidney Bartlett and they had a daughter Doris in 1908 I think.

      I have spent so much time trying to research Matilda Mabbett as I think you have. On her marriage certificate to John Charles Heath, her father is given as William Mabbett, glass cutter. However, when I sent for her birth certificate Matilda was born on 1st July 1850, her father is named as Matthew Mabbett, and mother Matilda Mabbutt, formerly White at 6 Harford St, Bristol,
      Can find no information about this William Mabbett yet.

      Arabella's birth certificate shows she was born on 2nd September 1848 at 9 Harford St to Matilda Mabbutt, formerly White and father is Richard Mabbutt.

      The plot certainly thickens!

      I will send a cop of this to Mark Stanton.

      Best wishes,
      Adrienne nee Heath

    3. [S47] Email, STANTON, Mervyn; 2008 10 06;.
      Am forwarding info. that might add certified detail to the little on her side of the family that we know already, and, apart from confirming points already picked up, explains how and why Samuel Charles Heath and his future wife, Deborah, were brought together.
      Hope you all are well, and enjoying the Summer,
      Love,
      Mervyn.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Adrienne Quarmby
      To: Mervyn Stanton
      Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:04 PM
      Subject: Re: Heath/Mabbett connection.

      Dear Mervyn,

      On Matilda Mabbett's marriage certificate, her husband's name is entered as John Osborne Stewart. I picked up the Oborne on a Census but I think the certificates are a more reliable source.

      Arabella was also referred to as Isabella on the 1891 census PRO Ref RG12/1949. I found this while searching for Samuel Charles Heath. The entry is as follows:-
      living at 15 Bartley Street, Bedminster
      Isabella Bennett (Head) widow, aged 42, a tailoress, born St James, Bristol
      Matilda Steward(t) (mother), widow, aged 70 " "
      George Dunn, (boarder), single, aged 57, general labourer " "
      (His daughter Deborah Elizabeth Ann Dunn was to marry Samuel Charles Heath the following year)
      Samuel Charles Heath, (nephew), single aged 22 " "
      Matilda Carlile, (niece) aged 12 born London St Lukes

      I have Matilda and George Blackburn living at 25 Frome St in the Parish of St James and St Paul from the 1871 Census
      and then in 1877 Arabella marries Samuel Joseph BENNETT. I am not sure why she is Arabella Mabbett Barlow when she marries. I shall have to send for another marriage certificate and will let you know if I find out anything further.
      Samuel Charles Heath spent more time living with Arabella than his own mother. He was living with her and Samuel Bennett in 1881 aged 12, again at 15 Bartley St, Bedminster.

      I must now file some of these papers before they get lost!

      Best wishes,
      Adrienne

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Mervyn Stanton
      To: Adrienne Quarmby
      Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:39 PM
      Subject: Re: Heath/Mabbett connection.

      Dear Adrienne,

      What a speedy reply to-day - thank you so much!

      You mention the word 'guilty'. Please don't allow yourself feel the slightest pang. (If it's because of any feeling I have expressed, or the way that I've put it, I'm very sorry) - in return I have found you always to be very 'open' (i.e. generous and honest) - and very enthusiastic! These characteristics are valuable and should be appreciated, but whatever else you do, do preserve your enthusiasm!

      I would agree with your thoughts so far on Matilda and the possible effect of local living conditions upon her lifestyle. It would appear that even the moral effect of a church background was new in her area, as St. Luke's was for many years just an 'outreach' parish for St. Philip & St. Jacob which was within the city boundary. This was probably the reason why it didn't occur to her young daughter, (1850) Matilda, to have any of her three sons baptised soon after their birth - they were baptised some time later by their foster-relatives in their own parishes. (This is not just a critical comment, you understand, but the point is made in order to try and understand their attitudes and their way of living).

      Incidentally, Adrienne, can I ask now you have the Marriage Certificate of (1821) Matilda to John Oborne STEWART, would you mind checking for me the exact spelling of his name - should it be 'Oborne' or 'Osborne'? - both versions appear in various different documents, and you now have the official answer to hand!

      The inscriptions in your 'Blackburn' Bible are interesting in view of my remark in the updated version of the MABBETT/HEATH connection schedule, that by 2/3 April 1871 Arabella had separated from her husband and was recorded as being in London. It now seems this latter needs checking out again, but there is now a new line to go in there, that 'Matilda Alice BLACKBURN was born on 9 June 1871' - whether in London or in Bristol. Your Bible is now part of the authentication of the Family History record, so keep it safe! Exciting, isn't it!
      I haven't come across Arabella referred to as Isabel either - this too is something to be examined.

      Best wishes,
      Mervyn.

    4. [S47] Email, BARTLETT, Harry; 2005 10 28; 2005 10 31; 2006 08 12;.

    5. [S47] Email, STANTON, Mervyn; 2009 04 28;.
      Hi, Mark and Andy,

      Have received this e-mail from Adrienne. She seems pretty certain this time, and it seems on the face of things likely to be correct and acceptable.

      I had previously given Adrienne all the info I had on the Mabbetts, but it was on a 'true or false' basis, and entirely unconfirmed; also I felt I had already spent enough time (and 'circular travel') on Matilda (senior), and as she wasn't exactly essential to tracing the 'Stanton' direct line I had rather pushed her to one side, and carried on doing my own thing. Then, with Adrienne I'd tried going back over it all once again, but our efforts led us nowhere as there were always some details that didn't seem to tie up.

      You notice she has been in contact with Harry Bartlett? Was this through your contact with him? It is interesting that she actually knows and has recently spoken with a member of the Mabbett Carlile family common to them both. It will be interesting to hear how they get on when they meet in London next month.

      So, still on the periphery of our line, there remains just William George Heath to be identified, as the one we thought we had found, and taken for granted to be the right one, wasn't!

      We do hope that you are all well and enjoying the lovely summer. We are still enjoying our lovely walk to the end of our road and back!

      Love to you all,

      from Mervyn and Riette. XXXX

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Adrienne Quarmby
      To: mervyn.stanton
      Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:50 PM
      Subject: Matilda Mabbett

      Dear Mervyn,

      I must apologise for not writing to you for such a long time but family history has taken a back seat for a little time.

      I think I have a break through re Matilda Mabbett Senior.
      There is a Matilda Mabbott christened on 4th November 1821 in St James Parish. Her parents are William and Mary Mabbott, living at St Paul and father's occupation is stated as labourer.

      I have found William Mabett and Mary married in St Paul Parish on 11th Feb 1812 and it states that Mary's maiden name was WHITE.

      This I think solves the mystery of why on Arabella's and Matilda's birth certificate it says their mother was Matilda Mabbett, formerly White. Matilda didn't get married until 1857 (to John Osborne Stewart) and it states on the certificate that she was a spinster. Probably when asked on registering the births, her maiden name she gave her mother's.

      I have been in touch with Harry Bartlett in Australia and we are related through Matilda. His Aunt Lily is the youngest daughter of Matilda Mabbett Carlile who married Sidney Bartlett. I once went to stay with her when she lived in London. She later moved to Seaford when her husband retired as a fireman. I have spoken to her on the phone fairly recently and she remembered being a bridesmaid to my Uncle Sid and Auntie Beatie and I was able to identify her on a wedding photo I have.
      Harry Bartlett is coming to UK this May and I hope to meet him for a day and go to the National Archives in Kew.

      I am no nearer to finding William George though!

      Best wishes,
      Adrienne

    6. [S7] 1881 Census, CARLILE, John; & family; RG11 piece 361 folio 51 page 1.
      Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

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      CARLILE, John Head Married M 25 1856 Engine Driver London Surrey
      CARLILE, Matilda Wife Married F 24 1857 Machinist Bristol Gloucestershire
      CARLILE, Matilda Daughter Single F 2 1879 St Lukes Middlesex
      CARLILE, Arabella Daughter Single F 0 1881 St Lukes Middlesex

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      RG number: RG11
      Piece: 361
      Folio: 51
      Page: 1

      Registration District: Holborn
      Sub District: City Road
      Enumeration District:
      Ecclesiastical Parish:

      Civil Parish: St Luke
      Municipal Borough:
      Address: 2, Peerless St, St Luke
      County: Middlesex

    7. [S14] 1891 Census, BENNETT; Arabella (nee MABBETT); RG12 piece 1949 folio 44 page 41.
      Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

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      BENNETT, Isabella Head Widow F 42 1849 Tailoress Bristol St James
      STEWARD, Matilda Mother Widow F 70 1821 Bristol St James
      DUNN, George Boarder Single M 57 1834 General Labourer Bristol St James
      HEATH, Samuel Nephew Single M 22 1869 Smith Bristol St James
      CARLILE, Matilda Niece Single F 12 1879 Scholar St Lukes London

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      RG number: RG12
      Piece: 1949
      Folio: 44
      Page: 41

      Registration District: Bedminster
      Sub District: Bedminster
      Enumeration District: 25
      Ecclesiastical Parish: St Johns
      Civil Parish: Bedminster
      Municipal Borough: Bristol
      Address: 15, Bartley Street, Bedminster, Bristol
      County: Somersetshire